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Post by boza on Sept 23, 2012 16:30:10 GMT -8
Guys, I do a lot of iRacing, and as you guys know, it gets pretty heated in there. Part of what attracted me to Spazcar, however, is that its more casual. Yes, we have rules and as one of the Stewards, I will help Spaz enforce those rules. But, I am not interested in doing this series if it becomes overly serious. I do not agree with calling out Stinky, nor do I agree with calling him a "mother fucker". GBR is a good natured, fun group of guys. Lets keep it that way. All of you, including Jarhead and Stinky, are good, clean racers. +2
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2012 16:43:59 GMT -8
in the last few days i have heard complaining about corner cutting and clean passing. i even see there's a penalty box.<--- i hope thats a joke what in the hell happened? in the off season did everyone grow soft and turn into sissy girls. hears a clue .. in a world that is measured into 10th & 100th of seconds. if the car in front of you cuts the corner . you cut it too. if you give an inch the car behind you will take a mile. So keep your nose clean, cover your ass and have some F**king fun.
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Post by Knight of Redemption on Sept 23, 2012 16:57:33 GMT -8
Tony if it is me your alluding to with the corner cutting complaining then to a point your right but there is a point where it is just cheating, and that spoils the fun as all cheating does...if not ignore this post LOL
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Post by spazsterian on Sept 23, 2012 17:42:35 GMT -8
This will NOT be like iRacing. The whole premise of THIS series is to come out, drop in and have some fun without having to spend DAYS practicing , tuning - rinse & repeat. It's a fixed tune that anyone can come in and get down in 10 laps. Point is, I offer it as a causual fun night for those involved and it has always been this way, and always will be. If you not having fun at it, then don't do it. Easiest thing i can recommend.
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Post by Dan W. on Sept 23, 2012 17:47:45 GMT -8
in the last few days i have heard complaining about corner cutting and clean passing. i even see there's a penalty box.<--- i hope thats a joke what in the hell happened? in the off season did everyone grow soft and turn into sissy girls. hears a clue .. in a world that is measured into 10th & 100th of seconds. if the car in front of you cuts the corner . you cut it too. if you give an inch the car behind you will take a mile. So keep your nose clean, cover your ass and have some F**king fun. Sorry to say man, but the penalty box is real. We've just never had to use it till now. But to be fare, if a complaint is filed, we(Stewards/Race Director) have to look into it according to our Charter/Rules that were adopted some time back. And have been posted on the forums for all to see. gbr.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=season3&thread=302&post=3766If we didn't have some rules, people would just drive however they wanted, and it would not be fun for all.
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Post by smokey on Sept 23, 2012 21:51:19 GMT -8
in the last few days i have heard complaining about corner cutting and clean passing. i even see there's a penalty box.<--- i hope thats a joke what in the hell happened? in the off season did everyone grow soft and turn into sissy girls. hears a clue .. in a world that is measured into 10th & 100th of seconds. if the car in front of you cuts the corner . you cut it too. if you give an inch the car behind you will take a mile. So keep your nose clean, cover your ass and have some F**king fun. tony i have to disagree mate, this is why i got sick of playing on PS3 people cutting corners shits me to tears. i mean mistakes happen understandable but when people do it deliberately its not on in my book and tbh even if someone in front of me does it i do not copy. in my mind half a car over a corner is max.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 5:02:47 GMT -8
lol! i know we have rules and i have read and agreed to them. Spaz car has always been about hard nose racing. pushing hard and trading paint. & having Fun!!! The video above is foolish and should'nt even be up for any kind of re-view.
what i'm saying to you guys is!!! be very careful of what you are asking for! becuase this kinda of stuff cant be undone. once the rules gate is open. its like a flood Seaon 6 will look like this 100% damage No assist all contact is avoidable. No TS talk durning quilly and Race. this dosent look like much FUN to me. i race in these series all the time. and believe me they are not as fun. as they are here at GBR. this Crew is supposed to be about the FUN. of Sim racing so enjoy your self and dont worry so much about what someone else is doing. the powers at the helm will do there thing in due course.
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Post by smokey on Sept 24, 2012 5:21:30 GMT -8
i agree with you tony i want fun for sure and tbh i love a chat while racing (hate PTT) i think in the V8s 100% damage would be a bit much and assists id be happy with them off (except auto clutch lol) its funny i see V8s in a different light to (Spazcar, DRMs, TCMs, Enduro etc) i see them as the fun series and V8s as the more serious series. but i see your point of...
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Post by Knight of Redemption on Sept 24, 2012 6:00:19 GMT -8
Well not running in this series I am of course just chewing the fat generically, not using PTT is fine if you don't curse out other drivers in the heat of the moment...I'm afraid I do, and the last thing I want is that broadcast, because obviously I am not really cursing at the real person but the situation and often my own stupidity. So though I often want to make the odd quick comment or trash talk I give that up for the sake of not unthinkingly insulting someone...I don't say it should be a rule for all, just if you have that tendency, then use PTT. My comments on another thread about corner cutting do not apply here at GBR they were directed at some of the drivers at Race2Play, everyone here races fair and clean and on the track 99% of the time.
I heartily agree the vid should never have been posted but on saying that it has enabled some debate and that is a good thing, better to get things out in the open and out the way than let them fester.
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Post by Jarhead on Sept 24, 2012 6:14:16 GMT -8
Look, I never intended for any penalty or protest with this. I know the rules about filing a protest in a timely manner which is why I didn't say anything right away. I also do the same as Knight does in not posting anything right away unless it is obvious intentional wrecking, which I have never seen here at GBR. I did hold down my PTT button in the heat of the moment and said a few things that are inappropriate and for that I am sorry Stinky. I know you are a clean racer and I know it wasn't intentional as I already stated.
I just want to point out something that I have learned in my sim racing. It is rarely a good thing to attempt a pass mid corner. You never know what kind of line the person in front is going to take. On that track for me I found that holding the bottom through the corner was the fastest way around the track. I wasn't using any brakes, just a lift off the gas to setup for the corners and then throttle control to bring it around. On that particular corner it looks like I went in a little bit hot and slid up the track slightly which created the "hole" that you saw. I then lifted the throttle slightly to get back down the track at the same time you nailed it to fill the hole. If you had waited you probably would have had a better run off the corner and could have passed cleanly on the straight.
But that is all past now. I hold no bad feelings and I will continue to enjoy racing with you. I would just like everyone to think about where and when they pass. Tell me if I'm wrong, but I believe the best ways to pass are out braking into a corner or getting a better run out of a corner, but rarely mid corner. If someone gets under me going into a corner, I will do my best to hold my line and not come down the track on them. Watch some past replays of V8s and Street Stocks where I have gone side be side through corners without any wrecks.
Please let's put this behind us, continue to learn these trucks abilities, and keep having fun racing.
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Post by helios16v on Sept 24, 2012 6:49:27 GMT -8
Most of my passes at Watkins were mid corner in the long right hand sweeper. Especially on ovals & some road courses like Phillips Island, you can spend over half the time in corners. If a car in front of me runs in too hot and pushes wide, you'd better believe I'll be looking to take advantage...especially if you are running in a spec class series. In those types of series', you take any advantage you can get. Accidents like this one are very common in spec type series because cars don't have any advantage in different areas of the track. Look at the Miatas for example. Unfortunately it's just the nature of the beast, and part of the reason why I'm not a huge fan of them (but that's just me). I know a lot of people enjoy them, and that's all that matters.
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Post by mrbasherman on Sept 24, 2012 7:23:42 GMT -8
This stuff was bound to come up some day, it always does. Remember we are racing, the point of which is to win. You get guys together that are competitive and feathers end up getting ruffled at some point. It's just how it goes... How we all deal with it is what makes a difference. We cannot assume that it won't happen, because it just will, guaranteed!
I'm going to speak honestly here... I've said this before over at the 2O4F forums. I cannot stand it when people dive inside, forcing something. It creates a dangerous situation. However, that IS racing, dangerous or not. If the person hits you in the process, it's their fault and they are to blame. If they do not, well you just have to chalk it up to having given them too much room and keep from hitting them. Is it aggravating? Certainly. The way to deal with it is don't allow any openings, even tiny ones. Keep the door shut. On the flipside, it's perfectly legit for someone to force you into a position you don't want to be in, as long as they can do it cleanly. It's perfectly legit for you to do the same. It's just a method of racing and it's no different than riding someone's bumper around the track hoping to make them nervous. If you hit them, it's your fault. If you don't and they screw up, it's their fault.
If someone does the above, and it creates an accident, they are at fault. The only exclusion to this is if the person has actually managed to get their car next to yours. In this case, you are just going to have to make room for them, annoying as it may be.
That's how I see it...
Now, let's say an accident ensues... By all means, say something. Don't go off... A simple "what the heck man?" is sufficient. We are men and should be capable of having these kinds of conversations without getting our panties in a wad. If that isn't the end of it and it continues, point out what is going on. Remember I'm talking about dangerous driving that is not done properly and is causing accidents. NOT, situations you just don't like...
The reason I've said all this is that, again, this is GOING to happen and we need to understand how to deal with it in a mature fashion. It doesn't necessitate a bunch of rules, etc. Just some common sense and understanding. I personally am way OVER THE TOP competitive. I've been pissed off by others and surely pissed off others, so I "get it." Those of us that are not as competitive need to understand that part of the "fun" when you are competitive is winning. Those of us that are competitive need to understand that not everyone's definition of fun matches our own.
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Post by helios16v on Sept 24, 2012 7:49:46 GMT -8
if the car in front of you cuts the corner . you cut it too. if you give an inch the car behind you will take a mile. That's exactly the mentality we are trying to prevent. As people are pushing the threshold, inevitably someone will go a little to far. If nothing is done to control it, things start getting out of hand "keeping up w/ the Jones'". We've got no desire to micro-manage the events. In general everyone here is very good about it (if you're in doubt, wander outside our little world ). In all likelihood, in another circumstance, there may not have been any penalty issued as it was a grey area in the eyes of most of the stewards. But that specific corner was emphasized during pre-race, hence the decision (and we discussed it for half hour or better, it was not an easy one).
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Post by Dan W. on Sept 24, 2012 9:56:13 GMT -8
Sorry Jarhead, your thread got sidetracked. You asked a question and some of us gave an honest opinion. Then it got sidetracked to discuss something that had nothing to do with the original intent of your post. But some very good points and concerns have been voiced here, so not a total loss As to passing mid corner, honestly, I will pass at any opportunity I can get. But it will be done as safely as possible. I hate messing up someone else's race, but sh@t happens from time to time. Most of these issues are geared more towards Road Racing, NASCAR is a completely different beast. It is expected to have some bumping and pushing in NASCAR. If I have to nudge you or anyone else to get you out of my way I will, but not with the intent to crash you, but to make you wiggle and slow a bit. If it causes you to wreck, I would feel bad about it. But that is racing (In Nascar) and it can be done with out touching just by pulling the air off the spoiler in front of you. I'm not saying push people out of your way intentionally as you say sorry on the way by. What I'm getting at is Nascar is a contact sport, always has been and always will be, Road racing is not. But then again, I don't care what your driving, when two or more people want the same real estate sh^t happens. So yes, you can expect people to give you room and not wreck you in road racing, It's a bit harder to pass in a Nascar style event and people tend to take more chances, that's why we make the yellow flags mandatory in Nascar style events. I probably just confused the hell out of everyone, but I've never been good at putting my thoughts in print, it just comes out wrong.
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Post by smokey on Sept 24, 2012 10:01:18 GMT -8
Nascar is a contact sport, always has been and always will be, Road racing is nottell that to the BTCC ;D
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