V8SC Season 6 Poll Question

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hawks if you need any help with track. let me know i have them all. and then some lol!!!

[Seahawks1Fan]

Thanks Tony, I think I have them all. Still need to test some of them to rule out any issues, but most are ones we have either used in the past or they are used over at R2P.

I'm considering using the FVR version of Hidden Valley. Any issues you know of with that one?

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none that i can think of but i could re check it to make sure.

[F1Fan07]

I can be available Sat night for testing.

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i should be around for testing i like testing. i have a new setup i've been working on. really been focused on getting the power to the ground.and breaking threw the gears. i seem to be losing alittle time there.

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Many days ago I voted for the "actual 2013 V8SC schedule". Just a few things:

1.- Large fields + sprint races = Carnage. I think 60 minutes race with some aggressive tire/fuel X's will make a nice race with at least 2 o 3 pit stops ( that's why we moved to pc racing to enjoy time change,tire and fuel degradation change ).

2.- Setups: Open setups is gonna ONLY favoritism the fast guys. My experience says with a locked setup the gap is gonna be more close between front and rear pack drivers. This cars are already tuned, maybe you can leave open tires, fuel(for pit strategy) and some driving aids. Setting up a car is time consuming(not for me) but with locked setup things are gonna be way easy and with no more tuning "tricks" the gap will be more close. Sounds fair ?

3.- Starting grid: First race normal qualify. Second race reverse grid from results first race. So last place in the first race will start 1st in the second race and then go with this format until the end of the series. With this rear pack drivers will have a chance to win the championship or a least fight for it. To make this work, the race must be at least 60 minutes so the fast guys can work his way to the front if they can. Look the results from last night race(Daytona exhibition), same names in the front kicking b...., and this results will be over and over and over again. Fast guys need to be handicapped in some way.

stay speedy my friends...

[smokey]

I can see you point fahn but with the carnage thing having reverse grids can cause that anyway and tbh I don't think the sprints have ever been too carnage prone (maybe first corner but that's about it)

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2.- Setups: Open setups is gonna ONLY favoritism the fast guys.
Fixed setup. not going to vote for that this is not a Mazda race!
i did throw the idea of locking the earo and the gear box. for each track.
i honesty don't believe fixed setup are going to slow the fast guys down.
at the end of the day. there are front runner, and there are pack guys.
and i can say this honestly. because i am a Pack guy who has, several championships.
and i due believe. there is no unbeatable drivers.
and in a championship like this. its not all about winning races. its about a championship over the year.
its about being there,collecting points,and making a good races for you.
now winning is a plus. and it dose help. but not always necessary to win a championship.

but i would be game for cranking the tire & fuel wear up.and expanding the races.to make it more of a strategy.

[Seahawks1Fan]

I have already sorted out the format for the upcoming season. We are making some changes, but not too drastic. Fixed setups are not going to be utilized in this series, but fixed tires will be for certain races.

There will be a good mix of our standard 2 race format and single, longer races. I will be announcing all of the details shortly. The upcoming exhibition at Yas Marina is going to be a good test of the 2 race setup with different tires for each race.

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Mar 12, 2013 9:50:03 GMT -8 Seahawks1Fan said:

Thanks Tony, I think I have them all. Still need to test some of them to rule out any issues, but most are ones we have either used in the past or they are used over at R2P.

About the tracks, is that possible to use the r2 tracks ? They are already fully tested and is one click install. I still having problems dealing with folders. For example the Yas Marina track for the upcoming exhibition race, about the installation to me you are talking chinese. Thank you.

[smokey]

well said tony brother

[Seahawks1Fan]

@ Fantomas: The tracks have all been customized specifically for GBR. Many of the tracks we will be using come from R2P, but they have been altered to adjust for our tire requirements. When I release the track pack, you will simply need to open it with Winrar and drag the GameData folder I created in the rar file into the root directory of your rFactor folder. If you have trouble or are worried about messing something up, I would be happy to remote into your computer after you have downloaded the files and do it for you. It only takes about 30 seconds once you have the files download.

[Jarhead]

I have some input about setups. I like fixed setup races since it then becomes all about the driver, but I don't think fixed setups would work very well in this series. I have tried setups from many different members here and they all have their own characteristics. Some I have been able to use, some I can't. I believe this mod is too involved for a one size fits all setup.

What I would like to see though is shared setups. If I was running an open setup series like this where there we are just in it to have fun, I would make everyone post their setups before the race so everyone could try them out and see what works best. There are many here who are more than happy to share setups, but sometimes setups are treated like the holy grail. I believe it should still be all about the driver's ability. Some are good at driving, some are good at making setups, some are good at both. Then there are the rest of us who struggle with setups and driving. It would be nice if everyone had all the tools necessary to compete at their highest level.

[smokey]

i cant do setups either Jarhead i use what i got given and drive to the style that suits the setup. but its gonna be hard to know if what someone puts out is even their 'setup' as you said it is the holy grail to some people

[F1Fan07]

Mar 29, 2013 12:39:44 GMT -8 Jarhead said:

I would make everyone post their setups before the race so everyone could try them out and see what works best.

That seems unlikely to happen and even if it did, there is no way of knowing that the posted setup is the actual one in use.

There is no magic in setups. It takes time and effort. Drivers are far better off working with a tuning guide and spending an afternoon developing a base tune for the season.

Instead of setups, people should be watching guys like Stinky on replays and analyze corner lines, braking and acceleration points - that's where big time is gained/lost in this mod. Smoothness will gain you more time than a setup will.

I'm not a natural at this. I have no inbuilt talent like some guys. I've spent hours watching Hawks, Stinky and Boza then jumping in the sim to refine my driving over one or two key corners then back to the replay then back in the sim iterating my lines through each driven lap.

Holy Grail? There isn't a higher power helping here... it's an investment in time and application of experience. I'll tell you what I do to build a setup... it isn't anything special:

1) Take default tune + soft tires + middle settings on aero.
2) Set camber at 2/3 to max
3) Disconnect rear ARB, set lowest ride height
4) Drop rear shock settings to about 1/2 of max
5) Take about 25% out of rear springs
6) Drop tire pressure about 45 kPa
7) Drive 5-7 laps
8) Adjust tire pressure higher if centre of tire is more than 10 degrees C colder than edges or the reverse if needed
9) goto 7
10 a) If car understeers reduce front ARB or increase front camber or lower front tire pressure 30 kPa
10 b) If car oversteers increase rear ARB or increase front camber or lower rear tire pressure 30 kPa
11) go back to 7

That's your base tune. It takes me about 100 laps of running to get there. One could probably run that tune at all races in a season only changing fuel and gearing.

If you want to get that extra fraction of a second at each week's race:

1) Find the highest speed part of the track. Adjust final drive as necessary to tickle the redline at the end of the straight. Raise ride height if the car is scraping.
2) Run 5 laps
3) Adjust tire pressures to even out temperature. Test with adjusting up and down 30 kPa at a time.
4) goto 2. It'll sometimes take 25 laps until I'm happy with pressures
5) Soften springs if you're losing control over the curbs
6) tweak front and rear ARB as needed as in #10 above
7) drop aero to minimum and drive some balls-out 100% effort laps - increase front/rear aero as needed to maintain a comfortable amount of grip.

When you're done that it's probably been 50 laps work. After half a season you probably have all the setups you'll ever need. A long track Bathurst-type set, short track, street circuit and set for tracks that really load one side (Vanport, for example).