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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 13:04:59 GMT -8
It's racing. As in real life, shit happens. I qualified on the front row and was on Jeff's ass for the first several laps, and was still within about 2 seconds as we were entering heavy traffic--meaning, I might have had a shot at the win when traffic came into play. Unfortunately a lapped car spun into the grass exiting the first chicane, and decided to let the leader by, then pull out directly in front of me. I t-boned him and fell to the inside of the track, lost two spots (only, surprisingly), and limped with a damaged car to a 4th place. It sucked, I was quite angry, but there was still no reason to mouth off on TS about it. It's racing, shit happens. That's why I was looking forward to a second crack at Jeff in Race 2. Unfortunately that didn't happen.  I would like to remind drivers who wreck/spin out to stay put until it's very obvious there's a gap to rejoin. I understand it's frustrating when something goes wrong and you just want to get back to racing as SOON as possible, but the fact is, if you've already gone off the track badly, AND you're a lap down, then you're not gonna win the race, you're not gonna get a top 5, you're very likely not going to get a top 10. So rejoin when it's SAFE, and then work on finishing the race. Please. Looking forward to revenge at Pukekohe. Hooper, I'm coming for YOU.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 13:08:10 GMT -8
And as for the bad start, well, "it's Symmons Plains." Shit is gonna happen. No matter how often you say "brake earlier on the first lap" some guys just don't have the wiring to do that. Rolling starts might help? (They used them at Symmons this year in V8s, in fact.)
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Post by totalo on May 9, 2013 13:16:21 GMT -8
I took a look at the replay and I have to say this race went down a whole lot smoother than I thought it would for the amount of cars and the size and configuration of the track. Too be honest guys we did better than most would.
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Post by zero7159 on May 9, 2013 13:22:25 GMT -8
OK, we have had several posts where fast guys have reminded us slow guys of our responsibilities. I do a fair amount of lapping in another sim that I have agreed not to talk about, so I understand the issue from the fast guys' perspective. So, in the interest of keeping it "fair and balanced", let me remind the fast guys that you can see better than I can when you are lapping me. You also can see better than I can if I go off track. That is true even though I have triple screens. I simply cannot tell from a rear view mirror what you are going to do, nor can I see very well from off track, particularly when I am re-entering traffic from an angle. That is why us lawyers tell our clients that rear end accidents are always the fault of the car in back. If you come up behind me, its your job to figure out a way around me, its my job not to block you. If you see me entering the track from the side, its your job to remember I cannot necessarily see you and you should adjust your line accordingly.
The problem with road racing is that we don't race as a group very long. Us oval guys are used to that due to cautions, etc.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 13:32:45 GMT -8
Suggestion #1 - use your location LCD. The long linear map at the bottom of the screen? It's a perfect way to check if anyone is coming without seeing them out the windshield.
I do agree completely that for ON-TRACK passes, the onus is on the leaders to lap safely. A spun driver barreling his way back on track is a different case, I think.
As for passing ON track, I would much rather a lapped car be PREDICTABLE and maintain his line, and let me find a way around (while also maybe leaving me more room than usual under braking, is all...) As opposed to being all over the place TRYING to get out of my way. It makes it confusing. And fwiw, other than that one incident everyone I lapped was just fine last night.
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Post by zero7159 on May 9, 2013 13:37:18 GMT -8
Suggestion #1 - use your location LCD. The long linear map at the bottom of the screen? It's a perfect way to check if anyone is coming without seeing them out the windshield. Hmm, is that part of GID? I have never been able to get GID to work. |
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Post by F1Fan07 on May 9, 2013 13:37:37 GMT -8
but starting as far back as we did, we couldn't even see the lights to go. This is a good time to point out (especially for new drivers) that at some tracks you can't see the lights and you can't rely on the starting horn. It is what it is. Your best option is to flip the LCD status display to the race timer screen. Green lights are at 0:00.00. Your other option (which is more involved) is to install a plug-in like GID that puts a start light display on your screen. I never look at the track's lighting... I always use GID. |
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Post by helios16v on May 9, 2013 13:52:07 GMT -8
Suggestion #1 - use your location LCD. The long linear map at the bottom of the screen? It's a perfect way to check if anyone is coming without seeing them out the windshield. Hmm, is that part of GID? I have never been able to get GID to work. Nope, part of the standard rFactor display (I forget which # toggles it). It's also handy for knowing when for sure you have crossed the line at the finish...particularly for a timed race. The highlighted marker (you) will disappear when your race is over.  |
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Post by Dan W. on May 9, 2013 14:06:11 GMT -8
Suggestion #1 - use your location LCD. The long linear map at the bottom of the screen? It's a perfect way to check if anyone is coming without seeing them out the windshield. Hmm, is that part of GID? I have never been able to get GID to work. That is not a good indicator of how close the cars are, at a long track it's iffy, at a short track the bar seems full. I agree the driver who spun should not enter the track balls out. He should, if not sure, enter slowly and stay in the lane he enters till back up to speed. On a Track like Symmons, if you wait for a clear opening, you might as well go to the garage. So I agree also that the approaching driver needs to pay attention to avoid a car reentering the track. You can't put it all on the guy entering the track who really can't see where you are. And I don't see any of us quitting just to avoid a possible accident. Both drivers need to be cautious. We are ALL racing for position no matter where we are on track. For me personally, every position I can get is like a pass for the lead. |
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Post by zedarchitect on May 9, 2013 14:12:53 GMT -8
Hmm, is that part of GID? I have never been able to get GID to work. Nope, part of the standard rFactor display (I forget which # toggles it). It's also handy for knowing when for sure you have crossed the line at the finish...particularly for a timed race. The highlighted marker (you) will disappear when your race is over. It is one of the number keys. I also run GID but rely on the rFactor one John is talking about to see who is coming up on me. Craig, it is essentially a graphical version of iR's F3 LCD. You're a red dot in sort if a time like that represents the track. If you see a green dot approaching your red dot, you know not to rejoin the track. The dots have position numbers in them as well. |
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Post by oldslowfred on May 9, 2013 14:52:51 GMT -8
I had a lot of fun last evening, thought the first race went very well, could have easily have had a lot more carnage  This is racing, competition, but for all of us I think meant to be fun. But things are not always going to go to plan, s--- happens... I realize it is easier to say than to always do, especially in the heat of the moment. However, emotions (good and bad) are contagious. If it is really important perhaps better to bring it up with the race stewards afterwards. Also, I use 'look back' a lot, perhaps too much. The Fanatec CSR has a joystick on the left side and I have the up position mapped to look back. At times I can spend a good portion of a lap looking back (is actually kinda entrancing), perhaps my racing shows this  I have heard many times that if you are on track to hold your line and the faster car(s) behind will find a way around you. However, if you can safely get out of their way then do so. Great advice which I try to follow, not always successfully but I think I am getting better. But if you have gone off track I think the onus switches primarily to you to watch when it is safe to reenter. Again easier to say than to consistently do, especially if one is struggling with controlling the car on grass/sand. I look forward to these races and have never been let down. Both the previous race at Adelaide and this most recent one at Symmons Plains have been very enjoyable. And this is directly attributable to the great group of people attending  |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2013 19:33:58 GMT -8
Wow! What a race. Congrats to Jeff on your win. I dunno John, he's pretty quick. I know I know but - deal with the traffic, you're good at that. Speaking of traffic. From what I experienced it wasn't a disaster so for those of you adjusting to it, it will get better with experience. Just have to shake off the nervousness. Don't drive by mirrors unless you're setting someone up ----eh like - one hell of battle with Marvin and Jason. I think Marvin noticed my nose, maybe and we'll call an eFnet no cut down since I was gettin' there but I wouldn't have been offended if he moved on me. Its racin for fun here fellas. Now Jason, on the other hand a perfect bait and switch and it worked for him. I can't tell you how crazy we were and I tried to be as clean as possible. Damn draft sucked me in for the overshoot and Jason's cross over. Then handing a position over to Kevin. My fault but still had a blast. Thank you for the great battles fellas. And big sorry to Dale. I caught the curbing under power in T2 and it spun me big time. I knew he was close so I tried to yell it out letting him know. He hit me and I thought he was done. Now that would of made me feel pretty bad. But apparently it didn't hurt him so thank god on that one. Looking forward to more. Cheers |
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Post by F1Fan07 on May 9, 2013 19:54:45 GMT -8
And big sorry to Dale. I caught the curbing under power in T2 and it spun me big time. I knew he was close so I tried to yell it out letting him know. He hit me and I thought he was done. No worries. I saw you out of control and dove to the left. We did touch but somehow I got through with extremely minor damage. The front end felt just a little off but it didn't affect my speed at all. |
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Post by totalo on May 9, 2013 21:54:16 GMT -8
Man I'm itching to see the Hawks race video. Not so much for the standings. lol
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Post by smokey on May 9, 2013 22:47:08 GMT -8
I was just happy to get some big laughs with my Fantomas impression, or maybe he is me? this is why ive put this vid up not for the race but all the laughs  |
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